Nope, He’s Not Stopping: Big Goals. Hard Climbs. Keep Going.

This episode is such a good one — and it has two parts that  fit together perfectly.

First, meet Eli — an 8-year-old from Lakewood who decided to start saying Tehillim… and then actually kept going.

What started as a “we’re bored, let’s say Tehillim” moment at the kitchen table turned into something much bigger. Eli finished the whole Sefer Tehillim once, started again, lost a chart, remembered where he was up to, kept going, and is now saying Tehillim as a zechus for his grandfather, Meyer ben Tzirel Perel, who needs a refuah sheleimah.

But this conversation became about so much more than Tehillim.

We talked about grit — not the cereal kind — the real kind.

Resilience.
 Endurance.
 Courage.

Eli shares what it feels like to keep trying, even when a goal feels huge. He talks about stage fright, getting up anyway, creating skits in class, managing a bunch of third grade boys, bringing in props, costumes, fake gold coins, paper beards, and somehow making the whole thing work.

Sometimes we think “big accomplishments” have to look very serious. But sometimes they look like a kid with a Tehillim chart, a creative brain, a little stage fright, a lot of ideas, and the willingness to try again.

Then, in the second part of the episode, we talk about grit in a totally different way — through biking.

We hear from Rami and Shuey about the upcoming TDK Junior Father-Son Bike Ride in Baltimore, and what it means to push yourself, ride together, and be part of something that is fun, challenging, and meaningful.

Because grit isn’t only something you use when you’re sitting with a Tehillim chart.

Sometimes grit looks like getting back on the bike.
 Sometimes it looks like riding a little farther than you thought you could.
 Sometimes it looks like a father and son doing something side by side.
 And sometimes it looks like a whole community showing up for something healthy, exciting, and good.

My favorite part of this episode is how it reminds us that kids are not simple. A kid can be quiet and also loud. Creative and also serious. Nervous and also brave. Fun and also focused. And when kids are given space to practice all the different parts of who they are, it is incredible to watch what comes out.

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Listen to this episode with your kids, and then ask them:

What’s one big thing you could do… one small piece at a time?

Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:00

The temperature was 102.5 degrees. It was the hottest day of the summer. Rami's mother was very, very nervous, and she kept telling me, four miles. Figure out a way to convince him that that was the whole route. Rami, what happened?

SPEAKER_09 0:11

Once we hit the four miles, he's like, oh, this is the end. We're turning in this way. I'm like, no, we're not. It's not.

SPEAKER_01 0:17

And it kept them being signed. I said, make a left. Rami's like, I know how to read. It says make a left. Five, six miles in. I was like, oh, okay, I think now we're getting close to the end.

SPEAKER_06 0:27

I said, look, it says go straight, not make a left. We're going straight. Were you exhausted though? And huh? Yeah. So then why did you want to keep going straight? Why didn't you just say, like, okay, I'm done? I felt like it's a good feeling to finish the whole time.

SPEAKER_09 0:41

Do you feel like you feel like you actually finished something? I wanted to finish my book.

SPEAKER_06 0:47

Hey kids, welcome back to the next episode of the Incredible Kids Podcast. My name is More Theory. And I will be your cool incredible journey. We are going to meet many incredible kids. We are going to share a story. Some of them super cool and something like you've never heard before. Some of me today are ordinary. All of them incredible. If you do have great ideas, email me today at iKidspodcast at gmail.com. And now it's time for It's time for the joke of the day. Yay! Today's joke is brought to you by Ita Y from Clifton, New Jersey.

SPEAKER_11 1:29

What in the world is at every baseball game? A bat.

SPEAKER_06 1:40

Hi everyone, it's Mowitz Siri and welcome back to another episode of Incredible Kids Podcast. Today's episode is called Nope, he's not stopping. Who's the he in this story? Well, you're about to find out. Even though the line comes from a bike ride, this episode is not just about biking. It's about that feeling of deciding I started this, I care about this, and I want to finish. Today you're gonna meet Ellie, who started with a Tehillim chart at the kitchen table and ended up finishing the whole safer tahilum once and beyond. Now, if you're listening and you're like, big deal, I did it too. Well, I'll say, yay, that's awesome. You probably feel so good about yourself. But then I'll also say, listen to this episode. Because maybe there's something that Ellie says that's gonna remind you about yourself, and you'll say, oh my gosh, I'm the same kind of kid. Or maybe there's something about the way he does other things as well that might inspire you to stretch yourself a little bit more in other areas. Later in the episode, you're gonna meet Brahmi and his father, Shui, who are gonna take us back to that 10-mile bike ride in 102-degree heat you just heard about. They also share a lot of different things related to bike riding that I think you will love to hear about. Different goals, different kids, same message. Keep going. Before we jump in, this episode is sponsored by Hojiri Plus, TDK Junior Bike Ride, and We Play by SR. You'll hear more about each of them during this episode, and we are so grateful to each of them for helping make Incredible Kids possible. Let's meet our newest sponsor. We interrupt this podcast with an important summer readiness report. Summer is almost here, which means cam lists are appearing. Suitcases are being shut down from the attic. Parents are opening drawers and saying, Where did all the socks go? Why isn't anything fit anymore? Who packed away last summer stuff? That's why today's episode is sponsored by Kosierie Plus, official headquarters for getting summer ready. Their website features products for boys, girls, women, men, babies, essentials like socks, tights, pajamas, swimwear, clothing, accessories, slides, towels. Pay close attention because there are two separate summer missions. Mission number one: summer comes with extras. Online customers and in-store customers. While you're already stocking up for camp and summer, you can unlock bonus prizes. Spend $75, receive swim goggles, spend $100, receive a notebook set, spend $125, receive a summer drawstring bag, spend $200, receive a camping chair. The more you shop, the more extras you unlock. Mission number two, the sticker craze. For our in-store shoppers only spend $25 or more, receive a free limited edition sticker pack. Complete the full collection, and if you complete all five sticker sets, you can be entered into a raffle for a special prize. Here are your final orders before the camp rush gets completely crazy. Before someone remembers they need somewhere the night before camp, before you discover that every child somehow needs everything at once, visit hosieryplus.com and shop from anywhere or stop in one of their local stores, locations throughout Lakewood, Brooklyn, and Israel. Your mission's simple. Get ready for summer, collect those stickers, and have an incredible camp season. Mission accomplished. We asked our listeners, what's something you're getting better at? Here's what they had to say.

SPEAKER_09 5:07

Hi, my name is Commissary Klein. I'm nine years old, and something I'm getting better at is jump root.

SPEAKER_02 5:12

Thank you. Hi, my name is Sussa. Something I'm getting better at is getting used to my braces. Thank you so much for Incarnival Kids. Bye.

SPEAKER_11 5:20

Hi, my name is Suri Bloomberg. I'm 11 years old, and something I'm getting better at is crocheting. Thank you.

SPEAKER_08 5:27

Hi, I am Gabrielle Brody, and I'm turning seven years old, and I'm getting better at reading.

unknown 5:36

Okay.

SPEAKER_12 5:37

Hi, my name is Rifky Wool. I am 11 years old and I'm in Jackson, New Jersey. One thing that I'm getting better at is controlling myself in class. Thank you. I don't get all again. Hi, my name is Mary from Munchday UK. The thing I'm getting better at is social skills.

SPEAKER_02 5:55

Thank you. Hi, my name is Yachab Atlanta and I'm from Melbourne, Australia, and I'm 15 years old, and I think I'm getting better at going to sleep on time. Thanks. Hi, my name is Tolly Howard, and I am 13 years old. I am getting better at accepting who I am. Thank you, I love incredible kids. Amo Tier.

SPEAKER_06 6:18

Sometimes we think big accomplishments happen all at once, but most big things happen one little piece at a time. I'll actually change what I just said to say no no no no no no no. All big things happen one step at a time. That brings us to Ellie. Your Uncle Ellie. Yeah. We're not calling you that today.

SPEAKER_07 6:40

No, my Robbie calls me that.

SPEAKER_06 6:42

Your Robbie does? Uncle Yassi and Uncle Ellie. Who's Uncle Yassi? A kid in my class. He's also a kid that's an uncle. That's hysterical. What's that? Oh, that's your chart? Yeah. Okay, we'll get to that in a minute. Ellie, you're looking spiffy. Is this like a Shabbos shirt, or is this your regular Sunday?

SPEAKER_09 7:00

No, this is my regular Sunday because I had a CM today.

SPEAKER_06 7:03

A CM? On a regular Sunday when you go to yeshiva, you wear a white satin-down shirt? Not always, but when you have a sim, yeah. When you have a CM. So it's not uncommon. Okay. Very cool. First of all, it's been a while since I've seen your face. You joined me on Tahila Marmy to share an accomplishment probably, was it a year ago? Do you remember? I think last year, last year was. I feel like it was a long time. You shared something very special with everybody, and we'll talk about that in a second. So it's been a year and you already look so much more mature and older. You have like a little bit of a new look. I'll keep that as a compliment. It is. What grade are you in? Should I guess how old you are? I think you're probably like 15. No. How old are you? Eight. Perfect age for third grade. Ellie, tell us all about yourself. Give us the quick stats on Ellie. Hi, my name is Ellie.

SPEAKER_07 7:48

I live in Lake Lakebood, New Jersey. What do you like to do? What are you good at?

SPEAKER_06 7:53

I'm good at saying to Hill. You're good at saying to Hillem? I know, but like if somebody meets you, what kind of person do they say you are?

SPEAKER_09 7:58

I'm very friendly.

SPEAKER_07 8:00

And I missed to Helem once and I'm on my second time. Incredible. So you want to jump right into it? Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 8:09

Okay, let's do it. Let's do it. Let's do it what you're here for. Let's do it! Sometimes we do big things in life, things that people know about and things that people don't know about. There's some people who are presented with challenges and then they need to really step up to the plate. And then sometimes kids like you, Ellie, just fun, good yeshiva kids, realize like I can be big. I can stretch myself to do something big and bring out the great capabilities inside of me. And you had that thought for last year. What was your thought?

SPEAKER_09 8:35

My thought was, is this like okay, you're gonna get somewhere, or is it like you're gonna finish down? Was it like you're gonna finish? Or was it like I'll say to him whenever you have extra time?

SPEAKER_06 8:48

Let's go back to the moment everything started. What started off this Tahillon idea?

SPEAKER_09 8:54

Once we were sitting by the kitchen table, we had nothing to do. So my mother said, Wanna say to Helen? She said, Yeah, and she said, A few years ago I made this chart for Haya. I said want me to make it for you. So she went to her computer, downloaded a few stuff, she got our names on it, and then she printed it out. Then we started saying to them right away. Like we didn't like start like making noodle soups, and yeah.

SPEAKER_06 9:17

You didn't start making noodle soup?

SPEAKER_09 9:19

Yeah, 'cause my sister thinks our noodle soups. Right when she gets home.

SPEAKER_06 9:23

Oh, you're saying normally you come home, you're bored, you make a noodle soup, and then you find other things to do?

SPEAKER_09 9:27

Every magazine or something, we took it down. Like my mother said we should say it out loud. Mm-hmm. And eventually over the years I thought, like, okay, I'm actually getting somewhere. So I continued and continued evenly and I finished it.

SPEAKER_06 9:41

Whoa, your mom's idea was you're bored, let's say to hill him. Why were you so interested in doing that? Well, because a mother says say to hill him. Not everyone's into that idea. Like what made you wanna do that? The war started then. In Artisha.

SPEAKER_09 9:54

Because also I had a sister there.

SPEAKER_06 9:56

When you were saying to hill him, you felt like you were doing something for all the Jews, but especially your sister, because she's there.

SPEAKER_09 10:03

At that point I wasn't worried because she was on the other side.

SPEAKER_06 10:07

She was like in an area that wasn't really so affected at the time. I'm assuming she lives in Yerushalayam. Yeah. When you know somebody who's involved in something that you're divining for, it's a whole different experience. So you started to say to Helen. You said you started saying it out loud. Now I guess when you started, you were probably like in first grade. Yeah. In first grade. So was Korea hard for you? Was reading the words hard?

SPEAKER_09 10:28

Well, in first grade, I was like very fast at Korea.

SPEAKER_07 10:32

Really?

unknown 10:33

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 10:33

So it was easier, but it wasn't hard for me.

SPEAKER_06 10:36

The reading part wasn't such a challenge for you. Your challenge was to slow down.

SPEAKER_09 10:40

Yeah? That definitely was one of the challenges, but the challenge was to finish.

SPEAKER_06 10:44

Well, the challenge obviously was to finish it, but I'm saying along the way, like I'm only saying this because I'm not one of the people who like speed through things. Right? So for me, the challenge is to like say, We're gonna get through this, you got this, right? But for you, it's like you could say it faster, maybe, but then you also want to make it meaningful.

SPEAKER_09 11:01

Actually, now I got a little bit slower at my career, but before I was really fast. I hadn't been doing it so often after that, I like zipped through and then I finally I like got like to like ramade and then I was like, Oh, wait, I gotta like slow down and so I slow down and then eventually I like stopped doing it so often, but now I'm actually doing pretty well.

SPEAKER_06 11:23

When you got to Paraglamid, you started to slow down a little bit. 'Cause that's like thirty prakim into it. How many prakim are in safer tahilim? I scale.

SPEAKER_09 11:32

I have the chart.

SPEAKER_06 11:33

You probably know, or you could look at the end. What's the last number on your chart? There's no numbers. Well, what's the last capital? Kufnun. Kufnun. Do you know gamatria? I'm very mad at Gamatria. Okay, it's kuf is equal to a hundred and nun is equal to fifty. A hundred and fifty. That's how many Praakim of Tehelim there are. So hold up your chart. Let let me see it. I know the listener can't see the chart, but the chart goes through all FB's gambled out all the prakham of Tehilim until kufnun. You have a little checkbox next to each one, and this is your second chart.

SPEAKER_09 12:03

This is my third chart because my other one is that lost, but I remembered where I was updated.

SPEAKER_06 12:07

So good for you that you remembered. We'll get to that in a minute, by the way. What happens when you lose your chart? Because a lot of times something happens then. But I'm just noticing on the top of your chart, what does it say?

SPEAKER_07 12:17

Mirror. And who is that? That's my granddaughter. This chart is dedicated to him?

SPEAKER_06 12:22

Yeah, it's dedicated to him and to everybody who needs This is your father's father who's not well right now. Yeah. Knowing that this round of Tahilim is dedicated to his refor Shalima, does that make you more like motivated to say the Brahim?

SPEAKER_09 12:37

Yeah, in school the first day that he went to the hospital, I took this incredible cut stone and brought it to school and then I said it like recess much more often. I said it like the whole day when I'm waiting for my baby to come into the classroom. I said it.

SPEAKER_06 12:54

Wow. And then you had the chart with you in school so you could like mark off what you're up to. I did like all of this, I think in that day. Do you pace yourself that you only do how many a day? What do you mean? Meaning like you don't you're not like obsessed with it that you're just singing to hill him the whole day. Like you mu the point of the chart is so that you could take breaks also. Huh. And not like sing to hill him all day long, and that doesn't become like your new identity. Like I just sit there all day saying to hill him. I know.

SPEAKER_09 13:21

Like I did like style of my resistant talk to my friend. I said it was my friend, like he sat next to me and then yeah. That's meaningful. I did like start like talking to m like in the middle. Like I didn't just like sit there like just like like doing it. I like I did like don't like a little bit of this, a little bit of that. Like I didn't just only do it.

SPEAKER_06 13:42

It's very hard sometimes when a family is going through something, especially when someone's not well a grandparent. So probably your parents are like more involved in like knowing what's going on and you probably want to help, but like what could you do already?

SPEAKER_09 13:54

We actually we did get this mailbox because we're not allowed to go into the ICU, I think. Children are allowed to go. We got like this mailbox and it has all the name of the grandchildren and the great grandchildren, and uh we already made a few letters to go in it. Zay does mail.

SPEAKER_06 14:12

And then who delivers it?

SPEAKER_09 14:13

My mother sent out.

SPEAKER_06 14:15

Like when the adults go to the ICU, they could deliver it from the grandchildren.

SPEAKER_09 14:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 14:18

That's very nice. When you started to help them the very first time when you started making a goal for yourself that you're going to do something, you're gonna do one park at a time or two, whatever it is, and mark them off. Did you have the thought in your head, like, I'm really gonna finish? Like, did you actually believe you're gonna finish?

SPEAKER_09 14:34

I thought like, where is this gonna take me? Like I wasn't thinking like, I'm gonna finish it, I'm gonna finish. I but I wasn't thinking like, okay, this isn't gonna get anything. I was thinking like, okay, I might finish it, where's this gonna take me?

SPEAKER_06 14:49

You were thinking positive, but you didn't like have a specific vision of like what it's gonna look like. Yeah. You're like, it's gonna happen because I'm setting my mind to it.

SPEAKER_09 14:57

I was like thinking like, okay, I'm I might finish, but I wasn't thinking like I'm for sure finishing. Like I was thinking, okay, I'm gonna finish.

SPEAKER_06 15:05

Do you remember the moment when you realized like, oh my gosh, I'm doing this. I got so far. Like what what was that?

SPEAKER_09 15:11

That was when I started thinking, okay, something major is about to happen. Something major, because my father always like makes makes these surprises for me. So something major did happen. It was close to midwinter vacation when I was about to finish it. And for midwinter vacation, we went to this hotel with the whole grasm inside all my cousins. Mm-hmm. And then, I think it was last year, he made this whole party. He bought this huge candy platter.

SPEAKER_06 15:38

That was your CM cake. I'm saying kick cake in quotes, because it's not actually a cake, a huge candy platter with all your cousins. And it worked out that that was at the same time. But how did you feel when you realized, oh my gosh, I'm on schedule to finish my whole goal when I'm with all my cousins in a hotel with a huge candy platter? Like, how did that feel when you realized, like, oh my gosh, it's gonna be perfect timing?

SPEAKER_09 15:59

It's in front of my whole garrison size huge. So I was a little shy, but I was thinking, like, oh my gosh, I I had like this whole place on me because I finished they were nil. Like it was very fun.

SPEAKER_06 16:12

It almost like became the point of everyone being there.

SPEAKER_09 16:15

All my cousins were like kind of rant later, and they were still like It's also cool because it's not like it was a school project.

SPEAKER_06 16:22

Do you know what I'm saying? It's not like someone told you like you have to do this every day. Your mom suggested it, you loved the idea and you took off with it, but nobody was making you do it.

SPEAKER_09 16:30

Yeah, nobody made me do it. I just did it on my own. I did it whenever I had free time. Not like whenever. Like I did play with my friends. I did them every day. Maybe for like uh I like split an hour in a half and I did like 20 minutes now. I'm gonna go play with my friends finance. And eventually built up to an hour and I felt like okay, I said a lot of town, that might be good.

SPEAKER_06 16:53

Did you feel something about yourself changing as you got into the habit of doing something so often and being on like your own schedule? Like, did you feel something inside of you changing?

SPEAKER_09 17:02

It felt like, oh my gosh, I'm finishing, but I like I think I should do a school for and I started doing it all.

SPEAKER_06 17:09

And what about in other areas? Have you ever set goals for yourself, like in other ways besides to help him? Like with learning or an activity, a sport? Did you ever take that new skill that you learned to say, okay, I could do a big thing, let me do something a little bit at a time? Have you ever thought about doing that or not yet?

SPEAKER_09 17:28

Yeah, I did think of doing that. Like one day I came to school, the day that I brought my incredible kids to home to school. So I like said a goal, like I want to finish like till I didn't like I ended up finishing a lot, but I didn't finish till where I went.

SPEAKER_06 17:43

Did you ever hear the word grit before?

SPEAKER_09 17:46

Well, until my mother told me that this isn't the really gonna happen. No.

SPEAKER_06 17:50

Did she explain it? Yeah, she did. Okay, do you want to tell me what she said? Because it's like a really hard word to explain. Like, I'm not even sure I know how to explain it. Maybe your mom knows better.

SPEAKER_09 17:58

When you really try to do something and then you try and try and then eventually you finish.

SPEAKER_06 18:04

Do you see why I'm talking to you about it? Does it make sense that in this conversation I would bring up the word grit?

SPEAKER_09 18:09

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 18:09

What about your story connects to grit?

SPEAKER_09 18:12

When I tried to finish home and I tried, I tried, and eventually I finished. I catch one.

SPEAKER_06 18:18

Exactly. Now, the word grit could sometimes be confused with like a certain kind of like um, I don't know what it's called, like porridge. You know, like the b three bears, the Goldilocks, she eats porridge. Know that story? I know that story. So she eats porridge. It's like this disgusting looking oatmeal. You know what I'm talking about?

SPEAKER_00 18:36

On the table in the small house were three bowls of porridge.

SPEAKER_09 18:40

My brother dressed up like that for a pound. He has uh two kids. One of my nieces was Goldilocks, and my sister-in-law, and my brother, and then my other niece. Oh my gosh. They were the three bears. Like this little little niece.

SPEAKER_06 18:57

That's so cute.

SPEAKER_09 18:59

One year old, I think. And like she's like little beer. See, just learned Army Crawl.

SPEAKER_06 19:04

Oh my gosh. She was the baby beer. So cute. Anyways, so there's a porridge, like a southern, like in the southern United States that it's called grits, like cereal. So it's whenever I think of grit, I think of that like parage. That's like little pieces. Very nice, very important information update. Anyways, so grit, grit, what is grit? It is not not talking about grits, the cereal, but grit is like a little bit of a mixture of things. There's three things resilience, endurance, and courage. Okay, I only know what one of them is. Which one? Courage?

unknown 19:38

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 19:39

Well, okay, they're all kind of similar. I'll tell you the difference. Resilience is like you're going through something really hard and you're optimistic about it. Like you're like, I got this. Like, I'm gonna be able to do it no matter what. I'm gonna be confident about it. And if I have to, I'm gonna be creative and figure out a way. That's resilient. So, for example, like if you have your little niece, right? And you just said your niece is doing an army crawl. Okay. So let's think about your niece for a second. She's a little baby. She wants to get that toy on the other side of the room. And she will do whatever it takes to get there. Even though she has no idea technically, she's not following any instructions. When she makes that army crawl and she's like doing the and we're laughing at her, she's creating a new type of crawl. She's being resilient. She's like, I'm not giving up. I'm gonna get that ball no matter what. That's resilience. Well, you learned that from a baby. Yeah. It's very cool. You could tell your niece she's very resilient.

SPEAKER_09 20:35

I have another niece. Like I'm trying to like bring her somewhere, and she doesn't want me to pick her up. So she's like, full sat. Like, I wanna stay here. Full sat.

SPEAKER_06 20:44

She knows what she wants.

SPEAKER_09 20:46

Yeah. Like trying to get a teddy beer, but I was making like this setup, but she's like plopped down and she she says stop it. So that's it.

SPEAKER_06 20:54

So cute. So yeah, that was resilience. Somebody with grit has resilience. They have endurance. Endurance is a really cool one. Endurance is like somebody is able to run for like a really long time and like they have a lot of energy and they don't burn out. That's endurance. That's like one example of endurance. Endurance would be like staying up all night, Shavuus Night Learning Torah. It's like you got this goal, and like you're gonna do it for a long amount of time and you're not gonna get tired. You're just gonna push, push, push, push, push. Running a marathon, endurance. I gotta get that. I gotta get those amount of miles. You know? So you have the what did I say so far? Resilience, endurance, and you knew what the last one was for grit. The last one was courage. Yeah. And courage is not being afraid to fail. Do you have courage? Yeah. How do you have courage? Is it natural for you?

SPEAKER_09 21:46

Well, it's not natural, but it's not like not natural. Like my father made a CM. I have a lot of states, right? I got scared to do something in front of Walground. So, like by my father see him, I took my courage. And I stood up and started singing.

SPEAKER_07 22:03

That's a perfect example.

SPEAKER_06 22:04

Were you nervous while you were singing?

SPEAKER_09 22:06

I was nervous, but I was also like hos like now I'm gonna pop up on like every status. Also I was happy that I couldn't use my voice for something like good.

SPEAKER_06 22:15

Like I'm sorry. You knew your singing was quality good. So you weren't worried that people weren't gonna like your voice. You were just nervous about performing. You were excited because you knew people would share the video? How come I didn't see it? I never saw that video. Yeah, because it didn't end up popping up anywhere about. Oh, you were hopeful. You were like, I hope this pops up on everybody's statuses on their phone. It's so funny. Might I say that like I wouldn't look at you and guess that you would have the threat. First of all, I love the fact that you're being so honest. That's really a cool thing. And second of all, it shows us that we never know how people are feeling inside. You can't look at someone and think, oh, that person's totally fine. You don't know what their struggle is.

SPEAKER_09 22:52

Yeah. Nobody knows what everybody is. Like in class, a lot of times, like I made a skit from my stand today. So like everybody like everybody started trying to talk. Like not everybody, so like nobody knew I was like getting a little like hard inside.

SPEAKER_06 23:13

What were they doing?

SPEAKER_09 23:14

You were trying to perform or you were trying to I didn't want everybody to like start looking because looking ends up touching.

SPEAKER_06 23:20

What did you do?

SPEAKER_09 23:21

You made a skit. Yeah, but it came with a few stuff, so I brought stuff to school.

SPEAKER_06 23:26

So hold on a second. I have a lot of questions. First of all, what was your CM on today? Bike. What? Bike. Bike? Bike. What is that? Bay's Alice. Oh, the Parsha. Yeah. Okay. I was like, what? Bo? But you say Bye, because like it's I get it. It's like Lakewood. Okay. For the listener, Parsha's bow is the same thing as Parsha's Bye. I know. You think that sounds silly and I think that sounds silly. It was a homeshum. Yeah. Your Rebbe gave you a job or you asked if you could do this.

SPEAKER_09 23:54

I did it a few times already. So my Rebbe told me, like, and the times that I did it, like a lot of times that I did it worked out. So my Rebbe told me, like he said, Ellie, you'll be telling me he was art because he knew that I want to be that and I want to make a skit no matter what. So you're the director of the skit, the performer, what are you?

SPEAKER_06 24:16

I was a I was a director. So you weren't in it. I was. You were directing it and you were part of it. Yeah.

SPEAKER_09 24:22

And all of this was stage fright. It's not so much stage fright because most of my class was part of it. I was like, whatever. Like I don't have stage fright anymore be from my class because I did it a few times also.

SPEAKER_07 24:33

And by the way, that's huge.

SPEAKER_06 24:35

That is that what you just said answered the question. Like being stage fright and then doing the thing that scares you is the way to grow. Okay, continue. So yeah, tell me what you did today.

SPEAKER_09 24:46

So I actually I was one of the main parts, I and then so well so like I told everybody like the line was gonna be like this and this. And also it has a connection with scare also because in the end I asked a few people like how do you sing the one? Like we were talking and I asked them like, how do you sing this hit was his head? It was actually very good. Probably best in here.

SPEAKER_10 25:10

Like I would tell you getting better, each one.

SPEAKER_09 25:14

Uh I like really wanted to do it. I tried and tried. I brought in like I forgot four stuff and it ended up working out. I think the reason it was good also was because like almost every scene, everybody had a costume.

SPEAKER_10 25:26

Everyone had a costume.

SPEAKER_09 25:27

Yeah, Marabi said that the costume is makes a big uh make a big difference. Everybody costume like I sponsored a ton of stuff. I made like this food distribution thing and then You made a what? A food distribution. Like it was Marcus Arba. So like you opened up the doors and then like I was behind the desk with one of my friends, and then we got these pom-poms and we started like green teeny pom-poms, started just like throwing them over the desk.

SPEAKER_07 25:54

We were like behind the desk, stuck in the end. Wait, one second, this is so cute. So your Rebbe let you completely take over the agenda over here. Yeah, he got his mic.

SPEAKER_09 26:02

He let us use a mic. So everybody was a mic, and also we had this idea for a mitzvah a tail and a ribbon.

SPEAKER_07 26:10

And that makes like the head covering.

SPEAKER_09 26:12

I really wanted to do it. So I even brought in an extra one, even though I'm not a mystery. I'm I was always it. I was my shadow. So you had three parts. Yeah. I was not in one scene, but I was very helpful for one scene. The scene that I wasn't in, I was very helpful for. So I like tried literally right when I s we started talking about a second scene, which was the open doors and run. So that then right then the day I got home that day, I took like skewers. I can mess. I really wanted to do it no matter what it was gonna take. Like those wooden long sticks that look like toothpicks? Yeah. I stuck them in and then I made this box. And I didn't want that the doors would be like and the plastic plates were doors. So I really wanted to finish that. I cut out beards. I made everything I needed. I brought them into school and I actually cut out beards? Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 27:06

You cut out beards so that your friends could wear the beard? Yeah, I'm Misa. So I I got um Like yeah, this is so cute. I never that's adorable.

SPEAKER_09 27:14

So you've been preparing for this for a long time. I got like a light brown beard, because it matches my hair a little better. Then my friend got a black.

SPEAKER_06 27:21

You had a light brown beard, your friend had a black beard. Wow. You're the wardrobe team. You're you're like everything for this production. I love it.

SPEAKER_09 27:30

I went to my mother. Like, I could be like a like a quiet, like just sitting inside talking to my friend, or I could be a basketball player.

SPEAKER_06 27:37

What do you mean?

SPEAKER_07 27:37

Like I could be like running up, running, or it could be just be like inside, quiet, moving. And how do you decide which one you want to be at any given time? It matters who I'm with.

SPEAKER_10 27:48

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_09 27:49

Like one of my friends is like quiet, but he he feels to be a little round, but he's not like he's not like really good at being mad. Like I could like shoot back. He's not really good at what? Like he's not like like one of my friends is like he's really good at imagining stuff with me. Like I play like I imagine story with him. And then like one of my men, like a few other friends are like into like run.

SPEAKER_06 28:14

Like yeah, no So you alternate, you switch off between like high energy activities and then just dreaming and creating and thinking big ideas. I love that. By the way, I love all people. I really do. I love the way Hashab made different types of people, but that type of person is definitely one of my favorite types. The kind of people who could do both. Because you have obviously a real knack for taking responsibility, it sounds like. Let's bring it back to the grit. Like it sounds like if you have a vision and you're gonna whatever comes up along your way. So, Ellie, how did you use this ability to have this kind of grit with resilience and endurance and courage when you are making a play with your class? Because I'm sure managing a bunch of third grade boys is not easy. It's not easy.

SPEAKER_09 29:01

I told everybody the key to making a good skit is quiet. If everybody's screaming, nothing works out. We did something that never happened before. We got to the third scene on the first day. Wow.

SPEAKER_06 29:13

Wait, so you just said everyone's shy, I have an announcement, and then you just said the key, like you said those words to them? I said that in the end.

SPEAKER_09 29:20

It worked out. I told everybody, whenever like everybody's like in the mouth moving, I go, Why like I don't wanna or else everybody's gonna make screaming helly? Why? So I decided.

SPEAKER_06 29:32

You cover your ears, you tell everyone to be quiet so that you could like not pay attention to everyone who's screaming. If one kid like pipes up like, no, but that's not gonna be fierce, so I said, Okay, quite quiet.

SPEAKER_09 29:43

Whatever they want to do.

SPEAKER_06 29:44

You end up letting them have what they want, but you just try to help them not like it out.

SPEAKER_09 29:50

Like also kids were getting a little mad at me, but I told them, like, if you're mad at me, you can be mad at me, but you're not allowed to quit. So I said, You can be mad at me. You have thick skin, do you let them be upset with you? Yeah. You can be upset with me, but I'm not not changing it. Like my Rabbi said no voices, so they got upset with me.

SPEAKER_06 30:10

What does no voices mean?

SPEAKER_09 30:12

Like, uh, we get down to it. Why was that the rule?

SPEAKER_06 30:16

I'm just curious.

SPEAKER_09 30:17

I don't know what he saw, but what I saw was like voices isn't good because I'd say you're trying to do like a really good voice that always works out, and then you end up having a sore throw.

SPEAKER_06 30:27

So you are Unless you're like a trained actor, you're not gonna be able to like make your voice like that and then for sure have your voice when it's time to act.

SPEAKER_09 30:35

And my friends, he actually made sand for the background of paper and said, Mohammed grocery store. I told him you should cross out Mohammed and write Yisraels because for 13 was everybody lines up to get food from the idiot. So there's no food in the time.

SPEAKER_07 30:50

So it's like so cross it out and then write so he took over the store. Yeah, but but he didn't do this, so I told him, Okay, fine.

SPEAKER_09 30:58

Because he's like actually my friend. He's like the one that lives right near me and it comes to my ass like every day. So I told him, Okay, fine, you can leave it and put it on top of the not on on top of the distribution thing.

SPEAKER_10 31:09

The camera!

SPEAKER_03 31:10

Yes, yes, excellent idea.

SPEAKER_06 31:12

Ellie, you sound like you know a lot about management. How? How do you know how to manage this kind of thing?

SPEAKER_09 31:17

So since I did this a few times, that's another reason why I know how to do it. So the first time I did it, there's no one in it besides me and my two friends. And then a few people wanted to be part. Then more people wanted to be part. So I started getting like a little nervous, but I wanted to try it. After I tried it, I realized that the key could be quiet, but it it can also be lao. Sometimes I could get a very good idea. But so then I like started thinking, well, the ideas popped into my head. Like, he's gonna stand here. Oh my gosh, that makes so much sense. So my mother, so to my mother, she sponsored a lot of stuff for this cat. She sponsored my like pari hat. It literally came right before today. Came on Matashavis. Wow, par hasam. She bought the plant bams. We did not have them yet. It also came out to shabbas. Also, I gave out grassrappers, one grasshopper to every came my class, plastic grassrappers. I I was pride myself right when I came home. I said I'm psyched. I was really excited that it actually ended up working out. It's the best feeling. On Sunday, like today, I was freaked out. I was like, what's gonna happen? Is it gonna work out? Is it gonna work out? Is it gonna work out? Mm-hmm. I was just I got a little scared. And then what the feeling afterwards? Yeah, in the end. In the end, I was like, do it actually work. And I really wanted it to work out, so and I tried.

SPEAKER_06 32:40

Like once my mother wasn't As this conversation's going on, I'm like going back to what I asked you in the beginning when I asked you, like, could you tell me about yourself? And you're like, oh, I like to say it to Hillem. Like, you are just so humble, or maybe you just need a minute to think about all of your strengths, because like you're the kind of kid that I could imagine if you keep developing this grit and this, like I keep saying the word grit, but like for real, if you keep developing all of your talents, figuring out how to handle criticism when someone says you need to do it differently and listen to them and change and manage people and situations and work hard until you see the final results and not be afraid when things don't work out. Ellie, you can do anything. Thank you. I'm so excited to see where life takes you.

SPEAKER_10 33:21

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 33:22

I really am. That brings me to another question. When you're working on something, say, you know, doing a goal of finishing the safer to hill him or learning a Mishnah until you could finish Mishnah or whatever it is. And then you kind of like don't keep to your schedule for like a few days or something. Let's say like you go away on a family vacation and like you leave your chart at home and you kind of just like stop doing it. What happens then?

SPEAKER_09 33:47

Then I stop doing it, but I play with my friend. Actually, last time when I finished home and I went to another one, I forgot it.

SPEAKER_06 33:54

What advice can you give to a kid who gives up very easily? Because things get too hard and they give up.

SPEAKER_09 34:00

So don't give up. Keep trying. You'll eventually get somewhere. And if you really want to do it, you'll end up getting there. If you really want to do it, just really try, and then you'll end up getting somewhere. You'll finish what you need to do.

SPEAKER_06 34:14

What do you want to be when you grow up, do you know? Tzadik. That's amazing. Perfect. Being a tzadik could go in a lot of directions. You could be a tzadik in whatever you do, you know? I have like this is Rabbi Azband. And what does that picture mean to you that you're holding up?

SPEAKER_09 34:29

This my father's Rabbi. I just was saying, like, totally me at Tzadik and I have here. I think that's also my head. Another one right here. Who's that? This is, I think, as but I'm not sure.

SPEAKER_06 34:43

Are you at your father's desk? Yeah. Your father has this office or wherever you are in a study, and he keeps his rabe near him.

SPEAKER_07 34:50

I also have that. That's a painted.

SPEAKER_06 34:52

Wow.

SPEAKER_07 34:53

Then behind it's also another skedar.

SPEAKER_06 34:56

Wow. Who's one person in your life that you look up to? As in like father, mother, or whatever. Any person in the world.

SPEAKER_07 35:05

Two hours.

SPEAKER_06 35:06

It doesn't have to be your favorite person. Okay.

SPEAKER_09 35:08

I'm thinking I should say this. Okay. Take my sister. Not like I look up to her, but a lot of times she tells me a lot of stuff to do. And my brothers my brothers help me a lot with my stuff. They tell me like like they help me when I whole ring, third grade, finished all the mac eyes. We do this macas display. Me and one of my friends and another one of my friends painted the whole box black. And they like told us like you could put googly eyes over there. Sounds like you're a very creative family. Another creativity thing that my family's good at is drawing. Cool. My sister. My sister's really good at drawing to me, this dog. It looked really real.

SPEAKER_06 35:48

Ellie, this has been an amazing experience for me to get to know you. Getting to see somebody who has so much creativity, so much talent, so many interests, so many strengths. I feel like your friends are lucky to have you. Obviously, your family's lucky to have you. And you're also lucky to be in a place where your parents and your Rebbies and everyone gives you the ability to practice all of these different skills that you have while you're learning, while you're divining, while you're growing.

SPEAKER_10 36:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 36:14

It's amazing. So good to meet you. So good to meet you. Real stepping back.

SPEAKER_09 36:19

Anything else, Ellie, that you want to add before we end off? I did have something before. So my grandfather, you know, he said I asked my mother if they can did my mother send you that if you could like put on. This is to you, not to interview. But so you could like me somebody else whenever you say it.

SPEAKER_06 36:37

My tell my include my grandfather and it and yes.

SPEAKER_10 36:42

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 36:42

Wow, you're such a sensitive boy, and of course, your parents sent me the Tehelim name. You could say it. Do you want to say it out loud for anyone who's listening? To Daven for your grandfather? Mayor Ben Cerro Perl. Mayor Ben Ceril Peril. And for some people, finishing Tehelim is not something that they're working on. It's not something that speaks to their nishama at this point to be able to do this huge accomplishment, right? But I hope everyone can learn from you to try something new, to work at something, pick something, and then motivate yourself to keep going.

SPEAKER_09 37:15

Talking about when I what we said before, that I can go from like choosing with my friend to jumping to the So I told my mother this morning, you could see the strict side of me or the like the fun, happy play side of me.

SPEAKER_06 37:30

People are not simple. People have a lot of different parts to them. And getting to know all the parts of us is such an exciting experience. But you can't ignore any of the parts. So that's the fun part. When is it appropriate to be like this? And when's it appropriate to be like that? Sounds like you understand that though. Bye, Ellie. Bye.

SPEAKER_07 37:48

Enjoy the rest of your Sunday. You enjoying the rest of it's still Sunday here.

SPEAKER_06 37:52

I'm not in Australia. Okay. Ellie's finish line was a Tehillum chart, but it was also a class skit. It was learning how to start something, keep going, and not fall apart when things get noisy, hard, complicated. Now we're gonna go from Ellie's finish line to a very different kind of finish line, a bike ride. Mile after mile, hot weather, but spirit that builds you.

SPEAKER_05 38:22

Dad, are we almost at the top?

SPEAKER_04 38:24

Almost there. You got this. My legs are literally falling off. That's how you build muscles.

SPEAKER_06 38:30

Okay, families. Everyone, listen carefully. If you live in Baltimore, you have to come to this. And everyone has those cousins from Baltimore that you can go invite yourselves to for shoppers now. Throw your bikes into the car or get yourself a bike rack and make a whole weekend out of it. Because TDK Jr. is exactly the kind of event families will be talking about all year long. Sunday, June 21st. It happens to be Father's Day, the first annual TDK Junior ride, a community bike ride for fathers and sons and really all generations. Grandfathers, uncles, brothers, family friends. For years, Baltimore had the famous biker hole and bike ride, and they still do. But now that's become towards a kindness, and I'm here to tell you about the TDK Junior bike ride, a whole separate ride for all generations of the boys in your family together. I love this idea. Biking is one of those healthy habits that kids can do, adults can do, and kids who start young can carry with them for life. Movement, confidence, grit, family time.

SPEAKER_05 39:31

Wait, are there snacks at the next stop?

SPEAKER_06 39:33

The ride will have fun pit stops along the route, snacks, drinks, community. Safety monitors will be there throughout the ride, so that checks that box, and every rider gets the official t-shirts, water bottles, and then at the finish line, a huge carnival for the whole family cheering you on as you finish. Music, snacks, celebration.

SPEAKER_04 39:51

I'm proud of you.

SPEAKER_06 39:52

Can we stay for the carnival after? But what makes this even more meaningful is who this ride is supporting. Beaker Holem of Baltimore is there for families during their hardest times. When a medical crisis comes up, you know you can count on them. Families from all over the world come to Baltimore for specialized treatment in hospitals like Johns Hopkins and other famous places. And Beaker Holem helps them way beyond the Beaker Holem room. Referrals, medical equipment, support, meals. So yes, this is a super fun event, but it's also kindness, community, family. I think this is gonna be one of those things that kids grow up looking forward to every single year.

SPEAKER_05 40:30

This is actually so fun.

SPEAKER_06 40:31

Sign up now. Seriously, right now, because you actually want time to practice and get excited for it and feel nice and strong and ready. Go to bikerholem.org. That's biker, B-I-K-E-R, Holem, C H O L I M dot org, and click on T D K Jr. Baltimore, and everyone else who's joining us from all over. Start pumping those tires. We'll see you at the starting line. At the very beginning of this episode, you heard a tiny piece of Rami's story. Now we're gonna hear what actually happened. You'll meet Rami with his father, the more seasoned cyclist, Shui. You're gonna catch us right jumping into the conversation as they shared what they did that day.

SPEAKER_01 41:13

I was able to go biking this morning with a big group of guys. It was probably like 20, 25 guys. We did about a 70-mile bike ride through Gettysburg. There's a state park called Katochtin State Park and has like this five-mile climb, five mile trail. Fun fact, do you know how many feet are in five miles?

SPEAKER_06 41:31

No, I don't know how many feet are in one mile.

SPEAKER_01 41:33

Have as Vader neither, but I checked because I figured I'll drop a fun fact.

SPEAKER_06 41:40

So you biked up straight, 26,000?

SPEAKER_01 41:44

400 feet. Basically, yeah, it was a climb and it was a lot of fun. I did that and we were through Gettysburg, which is very cool.

SPEAKER_06 41:51

Not you and Rami, just you.

SPEAKER_01 41:52

Now me and Rami, yeah. One day Rami is gonna join me on a Gettysburg ride. Right.

SPEAKER_06 41:56

Okay, Rami, can I see what you're wearing? Let's see. Set up straight and tall. Biker Holem 2025. Nice. So for the listener, you're wearing like a super cool. Is that considered a jersey? What do you call that?

SPEAKER_01 42:08

Yeah, it's a cycling jersey. Rami, do you want to show more material what's cool about cycling jerseys specifically? What's very cool about cycling jersey? Stand up.

SPEAKER_06 42:15

I never saw one. Could you show me again? Like stand up. Has a zipper.

SPEAKER_01 42:19

Has a zipper. In the back, there are three pockets where cyclists can put in energy gels or energy bars or their phone or an A3 player or tools that they need sometimes to fix or ice packs if it's really hot days.

SPEAKER_06 42:37

You just leave it there so it cools off your back?

SPEAKER_01 42:39

Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 42:40

Interesting. So there comes with three built-in pockets for various things. Rami, would you consider yourself a cyclist? Um, a little. What is a cyclist? A person who bikes a lot. Yeah, I'm gonna say something, and if you're one of my kids, close your ears. They hate when I say this. I like they think that I say this. It's not a joke, it's just an interesting thing. Why is it they think I say this all the time, that's why. They're like, Ma, stop saying it. I don't think I ever said it on the podcast. Isn't it weird that motorcycle riders are called bikers and bicycle riders are called cyclists? Doesn't that not make sense?

SPEAKER_09 43:13

Does not make sense.

SPEAKER_06 43:14

It should be the opposite. It should be that bicycle riders are called bikers. And motorcycle riders should be the cyclers or the cyclists. I don't know. Whatever. Just weird.

SPEAKER_01 43:24

I'm gonna ask Chat GPT what Okay, let us know.

SPEAKER_06 43:27

I'm very excited to have you guys on Incredible Kids today for a lot of reasons. Arami, I know that before Incredible Kids even started, when you were like a little boy, you came to my camp before Pesa. Remember that? You have to say talk you have to talk 'cause no one hears you and you don't it's just listening. Okay, good. You remember that? Yeah. In the talent show, you had a really cool talent. Do you remember? Yes. Really? What was your talent? You said I'm making the sound of an eagle. I was five years old. How old are you now? Nine. So we're talking a bunch of years already. Um, and you're with your fathers. Rami's father's name is Mr. Shoey. Everyone say, Hi, Miss It's like you work on blues clues.

SPEAKER_01 44:09

You can call me Mr. Shoe.

SPEAKER_06 44:11

David Shoes. So okay, so so um I want you each to introduce yourselves to everybody. So let's start with Rami because kids are the best. I'm Rami. Say whatever you want. Goldstein.

SPEAKER_07 44:23

Say like you could say like how old you are, what school you go to, what you like to do. Okay. Tell me you're a top two in sports. Football and baseball. Cool. Okay. Now could you introduce your father to us? He's Huey Goldstein and he likes to bike. Anything else important about him? He's Chinese.

SPEAKER_06 44:47

We're gonna have to give context.

SPEAKER_10 44:49

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 44:49

Like you're gonna have to explain. Like, what does that mean? Like he's Chinese. People are gonna be so confused. They're gonna think that he like actually is from David Shoes.

SPEAKER_01 44:56

Exactly. What did we have for dinner tonight?

SPEAKER_06 44:58

David Shues? No, stop it. You I believe it. I was at David Shu's on Thursday. I love that place. Do you know people in Baltimore know David Shoes, but also people know about it from other places. Best Chinese.

SPEAKER_01 45:12

Best Chinese on this East Coast.

SPEAKER_06 45:14

You think?

SPEAKER_01 45:15

I don't know. I haven't had better.

SPEAKER_06 45:16

Do you know what he looks like, David Shu?

SPEAKER_01 45:18

There's a picture of him in in the restaurant with Cal Ripkin Jr.

SPEAKER_06 45:22

It's near the bathroom.

SPEAKER_01 45:23

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 45:24

I just saw it. And also there's one by the front. And I always ask the people to tell me something about him because I feel like I owe him a lot of our car's atov. Like he started the place. He doesn't work there anymore. He retired.

SPEAKER_01 45:34

Yeah. We've been also in David Shu's yesterday. We went as a whole family. That place hasn't changed. Like the napkins, the tablecloth, but it's also the quality of the food. They found something that works and they stuck to it and they are consistent and delicious. They never felt the need to like reinvent their Chinese menu. It's perfect.

SPEAKER_07 45:54

Rami, what's your Chinese order? Sweet and sour chicken, sesame chicken, white rice, and wonton soup and sushi.

SPEAKER_06 46:00

Yum. So the person who I went with, Tadeva Chu's, a family friend, he saw on the outside of the store that it says, like, do not pay with personal check and no lunch specials past a certain time. So he came inside and he said, Hi, I'd like a lunch special and I want to pay with personal check. And they went crazy. Don't try that.

SPEAKER_01 46:19

They take their payment very seriously. Us Chinese people, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 46:24

Okay, so could you explain why you're Chinese, shoe we for a second? I don't know. Someone explain, please.

SPEAKER_09 46:30

My grandmother was left in a train station and she was adopted and she the train station in China and she was adopted and she became from and yeah.

SPEAKER_10 46:41

The bamboo cradle. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 46:43

Alright, well, that's cool. That's a side point. That's how you introduced your father. He rides bikes and he's Chinese. A couple other things or two might not hurt to introduce yourself. So I'm gonna let your father introduce himself to us briefly.

SPEAKER_01 46:54

I grew up in Israel till I was nine, and then we moved to Baltimore. I have four kids. Well, this is a Biva. Rami is my second, he's nine, and then we have a boy named Gavi and a little baby named Toby. And I absolutely love cycling. But more than cycling, I love my family. Family time.

SPEAKER_06 47:12

Priorities, amazing. So, like you said before, Mr. Goldstein just went cycling this morning and you climbed a huge mountain because you're preparing for bigger rides this summer. Um, but Rami, tell me what you guys are gonna do together really soon in a few weeks. We're gonna practice biking in a few weeks, probably.

SPEAKER_09 47:30

What are you practicing for? We're practicing for biker hole and 10 mile ride. This year we're doing a family seven mile ride.

SPEAKER_06 47:38

It's called TDK Jr., right? I heard it's gonna be super fun. Like more geared toward a family because you did the biker hole and ride last year before it was just for like more kids, right? Was that hard for you? Yeah. 10 miles last year already? Yeah. That's intense.

SPEAKER_01 47:54

Yeah, he was only eight years old, Rami, at the time.

SPEAKER_06 47:57

Yeah, I'm impressed.

SPEAKER_01 47:58

And the temperature was 102.5 degrees. It was the hottest day of the summer.

SPEAKER_07 48:02

Classic.

SPEAKER_01 48:03

In the afternoon. Rami's mother was very, very nervous, and she kept telling me four miles, four miles, and figure out a way to convince him that that was the whole route. Rami, what happened?

SPEAKER_09 48:12

Once we hit the four miles, he's like, Oh, this is the end. We're turning in this way. I'm like, no, we're not. It's not. It's 10 miles.

SPEAKER_01 48:19

And there kept them being signs that said, make a left. Rami's like, I know how to read. It says make a left. So we made a left. And then five, six miles in, I was like, oh, okay, I think now we're getting close to the end. And Rami, what did you say?

SPEAKER_09 48:32

I said, look, it says go straight, not make a left.

SPEAKER_06 48:36

We're going straight. Were you exhausted though? And hot? Yeah. So then why did you want to keep going straight? Why didn't you just say, like, okay, I'm done?

SPEAKER_09 48:43

I felt like it's a good feeling to finish the whole 10 miles. You feel like you actually finished your goal, you finish something, and I feel like I wanted to finish my goal to 10 miles.

SPEAKER_06 48:54

You went in knowing you're doing 10 miles. You're like, you're not convincing me otherwise. Sorry, Dad. He's too smart for you. But please tell me that you drink a lot.

SPEAKER_01 49:01

There was a ride beforehand and it was 104 miles, and I got back really quickly because I knew Rami was waiting to start the 10 mile ride, who's the youngest rider. Well, and he's not stopping, so we went to five miles and six. It was really, really impressive. I could not believe that Rami did it. I was shocked. And impressed.

SPEAKER_06 49:20

That's amazing. How did the two of you get into biking? I'm assuming dad, you were a first. What do you call him, by the way, Rami? Who is he to you? Daddy. Daddy? Daddy. I just saw a really funny video. It was like a boy called his father Daddy his whole life. And then he got older and he thought daddy was baby-ish, so he decided to switch it to dad. Since he was the youngest in his family, like all the siblings were very sad about it. He decided his parents are no longer mommy and daddy and they're gonna be mom and dad. So they made like a whole funeral for the letter Y. And they buried the letter Y in the ground and everyone was crying. These are the things that I think are funny. Do you do weird stuff in your family sometimes? Sometimes. That's like my type of weird. Like I would do that.

SPEAKER_01 50:00

Yeah. Well, I don't know that we will go that far, but that's that's really funny. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 50:05

It is funny. So how did you get into bike riding?

SPEAKER_01 50:07

The truth is, is that we had very, very special neighbors. Our neighbors was Robin Moskowitz. Robin Moskowitz was riding for a bunch of different organizations. He was cycling for them. And he had a son named Moshe Simchol Moskowitz, who at the age of, I believe it was 12 and 13, did the bike for high camp Simchol ride. It was 180 miles. He had type 2 diabetes and he did 180 miles for two days. And then Moshe Moskowitz, yeah, it's insane. I did not give enough credit or or you know, uh, I don't know what to write or it is there to the accomplishment that's absolutely not human. However, Moshe passed away at a way too early age in a very unfortunate car accident. We were enablers with them when this happened, and they started a team called Team Moshe in his memory. And I just saw it as an opportunity to keep Moshe's memory alive. We raised a lot of money, Lizekhan Nishmash Moshe. We're very close to starting Mosquits, and I just started cycling. And I was like, okay, if I'm gonna do 180 miles in two days, you have to start practicing.

SPEAKER_06 51:08

So, how do you do that? How do you start practicing when you have such a huge goal?

SPEAKER_01 51:12

The first time I did it, I think I did 16 miles, and I was like, oh my gosh, 16 miles. This is crazy.

SPEAKER_06 51:18

161 six.

SPEAKER_01 51:19

One six.

SPEAKER_06 51:20

And that's a lot.

SPEAKER_01 51:22

It's a lot. 16 miles is a lot. If you put in ways, what's 16 miles away? You'll be very surprised how far that is. But in the world of cycling, it's like 16 miles, that's nothing.

SPEAKER_06 51:33

16 miles is like how far I can get when I have like one gallon of gas left.

SPEAKER_01 51:37

Exactly. Maybe a little more. Maybe a little more. Depends how you drive. It was brutal. And then I was like, okay, but that's just day one. And then we did it again. And the second time was 18 miles, and then it was 25 miles. And then I started riding with friends. One thing led to another. I remember that first bike ride, it was incredible. And then Adina says, Hey, you have to do the local bike ride as well. Birka Holen has Bic Homo Baltimore's bike ride called Bike O'Holen, which was rebranded as TDK Tour the Kindness and Tour the Kindness Jr. And they had a 50-mile ride. It was an opportunity to get involved with the local organization. Their biggest fundraiser of the year. It's been five, six years since I started cycling. And Rami rides with me now a lot. And as you see, he pointed out I did 10 miles last year.

SPEAKER_07 52:19

So Rami, last year was your first time? I'm not biking though. I'm an official ride.

SPEAKER_09 52:24

The year before I did a four-mile ride, and then the year before that, I did a one-mile ride. Okay. So you're building up too.

SPEAKER_01 52:32

Yeah, he's building up. I thought it would be cool for Rami to experience the finish line when he was seven and eight, or even younger. What was it, six? So the last couple years, he met me either a mile out or four miles out from the finish line, and we did the last few miles together. I actually had one of these bike wagons attached to the back of the bike and put Gavi in there, and then Rami, of course, rode an actual bike. But last year, Gavi did not do it. It was too hot for him. And Rami just did the 10 miles.

SPEAKER_06 52:58

First of all, that's really impressive. But didn't you once do a ride, should we? Like something crazy. Like, didn't you once like push somebody? I don't remember who.

SPEAKER_01 53:06

Yeah, that's so funny they know.

SPEAKER_06 53:07

Um I remember something.

SPEAKER_01 53:09

Yeah. My first year. Well, people listen to me when I talk sometimes.

SPEAKER_06 53:12

I don't think you told me. I think like someone told me. I don't know who.

SPEAKER_01 53:16

That was very cool. My first year doing one of these big fundraising bike rides, there was a guy named Ellie Scruffy. He is incredible. He was a counselor in camp, and he had a camper that always wanted experience bike for high. That was the big ride. And it's like a big party. I don't know his exact diagnosis, but he can't walk and it's not possible. He had a custom wagon made that was attached to his bike. His goal was he was gonna pull this boy named Rafal 183 miles in two days. One was 60 miles or whatever it was. Day two was like the long ride. And I saw him at the start and I was like, hey, what's your plan? Like he has this big bar on the back of the wagon. And he's like, I don't know. I was just hoping like people would see and like help along. I was like, I'm in. And we pushed me and another guy in the back, pushing this bar with one hand, one hand on our bar and one hand on the bike. And this guy, Ellie Scraffy, was pulling in the front, and the three of us did almost a hundred miles. We pulled this kid right into camp. It was one of the most incredible experiences I've ever had.

SPEAKER_06 54:12

Wow, wow. That was so last minute. You're just like, looks like they need another guy.

SPEAKER_01 54:17

Yeah, yeah. Day one, I rode with Rabbi Mosquitz. And then day two, I was just like, hey guys, I'll see you later. I'm gonna see if I could help. So yeah.

SPEAKER_06 54:26

Well, that's awesome. That's amazing. So you really were on a biker like as a kid. This is like a new, like extreme sport.

SPEAKER_01 54:32

Yeah. I mean, I grew up in Israel and I love biking there. That's an easy way to get around. But we're not talking about, you know, dozens and dozens of miles at a time.

SPEAKER_06 54:40

And mountains, probably also.

SPEAKER_01 54:42

Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 54:43

Different.

SPEAKER_01 54:44

And it definitely took on a new life once uh to join Team Moshe.

SPEAKER_06 54:47

That's very cool. Wow, that's amazing. If there's other kids who are gonna be joining, let's say this specific bike ride, TDK Jr., that's like coming up in June, June 21st, I believe. There's gonna be a lot of kids joining. What's important about this episode right now is that a lot of people are gonna be listening to this while they're training for that ride specifically. And it's gonna be a lot of kids, and maybe even some adults who haven't rode a bike in a while. Give them some advice because you're like a newer rider than your father, let's say, but you've been doing it enough, training wise.

SPEAKER_01 55:17

It's a good training advice.

SPEAKER_06 55:18

Training advice.

SPEAKER_07 55:21

Okay, so how should they start training? Don't go more than one mile. Okay. Why? Because I feel like that's just pushing it.

SPEAKER_09 55:27

Are they gonna want to go more than one mile? They're gonna want to, but if it's your first time, I don't think you should. You should probably do one mile and then the next day they want to do more, they could do like a little more the next day, and then a little more the next day, and a little more the next day. That's how you practice.

SPEAKER_06 55:40

They should make sure that they're paying attention to how long they're going and when they're at their day's end, like go home, call it a night, tomorrow you'll try again.

SPEAKER_01 55:48

Rams, do you remember how we practiced? Do you remember where we went to practice? We went to a park. Right. We found a park that had like a mile loop.

SPEAKER_09 55:58

Oh one mile loop, and we just rode around and then we went like six-star maybe.

SPEAKER_06 56:03

Meadow wood?

SPEAKER_01 56:04

Yes. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 56:06

Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah. Some communities have like an airport park or something. Did you ever ride your bike at the zoo? No.

SPEAKER_01 56:13

No.

SPEAKER_06 56:13

I think people do that, no? Isn't that a thing?

SPEAKER_01 56:15

I know people definitely like jog and run there. That'll be full.

SPEAKER_06 56:19

Okay, so why are you doing it again?

SPEAKER_07 56:21

Last era was really fun. It just feels fun to bike.

SPEAKER_06 56:25

What do you feel like when you're riding your bike, Ronnie?

SPEAKER_07 56:27

What do I feel like?

SPEAKER_10 56:30

You tell us.

SPEAKER_07 56:31

You tell me, and I'll tell you after how I feel. I feel wet. Wet? Yeah. Every time while I ride, I kept on spraying myself with water.

SPEAKER_06 56:39

You're answering this question very like literally. So funny because when I was asking the question, I thought you were gonna say something about like what you feel like internally. Like I was gonna tell you that when I'm riding on a bike and I'm flying downhill, I feel like a bird. And you're like, I feel wet because I sprayed myself with water.

SPEAKER_01 56:53

Rami actually has a really funny story about that. Do you want me to share?

SPEAKER_07 56:56

You're spraying myself with water, and then I realized, oops, I sprayed myself to Gatorade.

SPEAKER_09 57:01

It wasn't water.

SPEAKER_06 57:02

Ew. Was it sticky? Yeah. That's not fun. It's like when you get wet with water, you're like, oh, it's just water, and that's the big deal. Gatorade's gross. Question for you, Daddy. When you're biking, how do you make sure that you're being safe? Because like I always see bikers riding on the side of the road, and like as a driver, I got so freaked out.

SPEAKER_01 57:19

It's a really, really good question. So you have to obviously be very aware of your surroundings at all times. Nowadays, there's super cool technology, actually. I have a little Garmin GPS computer that goes on the front of my bike. I have a light that goes on the back of my bike, and that light has a radar in it. And it actually shows me on my little computer screen when cars are behind me and then how close they are to me. And it changes colors as they're getting closer and like when they're right next to me. It makes little beeping noises every single time it happens. Yeah. So that's one thing.

SPEAKER_06 57:52

So it's very like an expensive device or it's something that a lot of people have already. Like how common or uncommon is that for bikers to have?

SPEAKER_01 57:58

If you're doing like real road cycling up to like 20, 30 miles, you probably have it. Pretty much all the guys that I ride with have some sort of it. There's obviously different styles and models, more affordable to like super expensive ones where there's like solar charging computers, you know, and like stuff like that. But most of the riders have it. And if you're going to ride it and you can cycle, then it's $100, maybe. It's definitely worth the expense to stay safe.

SPEAKER_06 58:23

How much is your bike worth?

SPEAKER_01 58:24

Do you really want to know?

SPEAKER_06 58:25

I really want to know.

SPEAKER_01 58:26

My father's into biking, and I just like remember hearing some of the pricing, and I was like your father should have sent a bunch of selfies to you guys from what I bumped into him at like I feel like that's how I know.

SPEAKER_06 58:35

I'm thinking now that's probably how I know about what happened at Bike for High all those years ago.

SPEAKER_10 58:39

That's so funny. I bumped into them a couple times.

SPEAKER_06 58:42

Yeah. Wait, so tell me how much? Rami, do you know how much is your father's bike worth? It's more than $2,000. No stuff at no, I'm not joking. More than $10,000, I think. More than $10,000. Wow, we just jumped a lot.

SPEAKER_01 58:54

Yeah, so I have a few bikes. There were like rules with it. Like every time I got a new bike, like I had to get like maybe Adina's a new Shatel. Funny story about that. I keep my bikes in our basement and Adina is always like, Why can't you take to the shed? Why can't you take it to the shed? And our house doesn't have a garage. I was like, when you're willing to have your Shatel shelf in the garage, I'll move my bikes right next to it.

SPEAKER_06 59:20

It's funny. Probably expensive. I think I'm picking up on that.

SPEAKER_01 59:24

For the record, my very first bike, I bought a used bike for $250. So I negotiated it down. Um I rode it for two years and I was like, okay, I'm taking this very seriously. I sold it for $1,000. And I bought a second bike for $1,500. And I wrote that for about two years. And then I was like, okay, I'm really taking this seriously. So let me upgrade to like a more modern. And I sold that bike for about $25,000, $2,600. And I bought a $5,000 bike with that same money. Used it towards it. And then I rode that bike for a while. And then the bike shop called me and they said, hey, we have this super cool model in that we think you would really like and whatever. It's the whole story. And I was able to sell that $5,000 bike, also only for about $5,000. I broke even on it. I didn't make any money.

SPEAKER_07 1:00:08

Never.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:09

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:00:10

You didn't make double what you paid for.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:12

Yeah, exactly. This one I broke even, but then I was able to get this other new bike. So it took a long time. I saved up for it and I saved up for it every month. And I'm glad to hear that.

SPEAKER_06 1:00:22

Because sometimes when you get a new hobby, you kind of like want to get the fanciest things right away. And it's very responsible to take it slow and you play guitar. You don't get the most expensive guitar before you have your first lesson. You start, and then once you prove that it's something of value to you, you can invest.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:37

100%. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:00:38

That makes sense.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:39

Right.

SPEAKER_06 1:00:40

Okay, I guess I didn't realize that there was a multiple bikes. My bike is probably more than 10,000. Is he right?

SPEAKER_01 1:00:46

Yes.

SPEAKER_07 1:00:47

No way.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:48

Stop. They're made out of carbon fiber. They're really, really light. And then once you really get into understanding cycling, there's like aerodynamics component to it. You know, like weight matters a lot when you're climbing big hills and things like that. Something cool I learned about cycling, like once I really got into it, there's this concept called like drafting. Like there's so much science actually involved. When someone's drafting, the guy in the front is basically taking on like 80% of the headwind. I mean, he's taking on 100% of the headwind, but like most of his energy is applied to going into it. Where if you ride right behind him and the guy behind him, the third guy was super, super close, you could save 40% of your energy. Geico, 15 minutes could save you 15% or more on car insurance. Sitting in the guy's 40%. And that's that's a lot of people.

SPEAKER_09 1:01:32

It's all sitting on your wheel.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:34

Right? Sitting on their wheels. Yes. That's yeah, absolutely.

SPEAKER_06 1:01:37

Or it's called the third wheel.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:39

Exactly.

SPEAKER_06 1:01:39

Is that real is that where it comes from?

SPEAKER_01 1:01:41

I don't think so. I think like the third wheel comes from a car that has a third wheel. Yeah. Well.

SPEAKER_06 1:01:47

Well, no, forgot it. Nothing.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:49

Yeah. Well, people that third wheeling it, it's like an awkward wheel just like sticking there. Like you're not two or four. Those are usually like the wheels.

SPEAKER_06 1:01:58

Like third is a little like I feel like I'm out of place. But you say that someone's a third wheel when it's like two people are best friends, or there's a husband and wife, and then there's like this third person who's just like tagging along.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:07

Right. Rami, were you ever the third wheel when mommy and I were going out or something?

SPEAKER_06 1:02:12

Oh, out.

SPEAKER_07 1:02:13

No, you're the third wheel.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:15

Yeah, exactly. That's true.

SPEAKER_10 1:02:17

That's fair.

SPEAKER_06 1:02:18

Right? It's all a matter of perspective. Your mom doesn't bike, so then she would be the third wheel if you two were together biking. It really depends on the context.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:29

A hundred percent.

SPEAKER_06 1:02:30

So true. Like if she was like, Okay, I'm coming with you, you'd be like, hey, like, go with your friends. You know? Wait, I want to go back exactly. I want to go back to what you're saying before about the biking. I actually always wonder about that, because let's say when I was a little kid riding with my friends, not professionally, just for fun. I always wanted to be in the front because like then you feel more free because you're just like in the front. Whenever you're like behind someone, I feel like you're nervous that you're gonna like ride over them. But I guess not you.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:56

No, I mean, I do like riding in the front too for different reasons.

SPEAKER_06 1:02:59

He does not like poisoned.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:00

That's yeah, why?

SPEAKER_06 1:03:01

Tell us why you like to ride in the front.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:03

You get to set the pace, not to talk myself up too much, but like the front riders are are usually really strong and are setting the right pace. When we're cycling as a big group and we're doing 60, 70 miles, we really have to pace ourselves. And like sometimes people get very excited when the front. What did you just do, Alice? 60, 70.

SPEAKER_06 1:03:21

We're still doing that. Also, does it even work for 60, 70? I don't think so.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:25

That's a I don't know. But I like to just make sure that we're not blowing up too fast or that the person in the front is not, you know, this is their moment to shine and then push really, really hard, and everyone behind them is pushing really, really hard. And we're using too much energy too fast.

SPEAKER_06 1:03:45

So interesting.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:47

Yeah, there's so much involved in it. And then I also like riding in the middle and back because I get to save a lot of energy on someone else's work.

SPEAKER_06 1:03:54

Well, I never knew that. I mean, I never knew a lot of things about biking, but I never knew that that actually saves energy. Like they're actually doing the work of like cutting through the air.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:02

40%. So if someone is putting it out in cycling terms, 400 watts, which is a tremendous amount of power they're putting out there. The person, I don't know if it's number two, but like number three and number four can be putting out like 250 watts, which is significantly less, and be maintaining the same speed. So it's very cool.

SPEAKER_06 1:04:22

Question for you, Rami, what kind of person rides a bike? I don't know. Do you think all the people that go to like TDK to do the bike ride, do you think they're all the type of people that are always moving and going? Or not particularly?

SPEAKER_09 1:04:33

Just case when they go to do the bike ride doesn't mean they actually like biking.

SPEAKER_06 1:04:37

What does that mean?

SPEAKER_09 1:04:37

My friend told me he did the one mile bike ride. He said he hates biking. He just did it because like the rest of his brothers didn't mean he's like, I don't want to be the little person who doesn't do it, so I'm gonna do it. He told me that.

SPEAKER_06 1:04:49

It was like peer pressure. He's like, I don't want them to think I'm a weakling, so I'm gonna do it too.

SPEAKER_10 1:04:53

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:04:54

Chewy, what do you see from your experience? A little older biker, and obviously you see people that are more like the biking type because they're biking even when it's not for a training for a big exciting party. So are the guys who choose to bike right, are they like motivated people in general? Or are they just regular people who sometimes are lazy?

SPEAKER_01 1:05:12

Yeah. I mean, there's really a whole mix of them. There's some really intense cyclists that take it very, very seriously, watch everything they eat and all the weight uh that's on their bike, and like everything is measured. And then last year we had Tim Boshe in our big a home ride. I don't know if you know he goes by G Money, but Shyakone from Abbasheim.

SPEAKER_07 1:05:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:35

So he joined and he rode. He did like I believe it was like 30 miles and Robin Maskwoods road, and there was like a ton of amateur cyclists, you know, that just went out there to support the cause or to support the team or to help raise money for an incredible organization. It's awesome. Today we had a whole bunch of guys that joined us for this ride that were brand new. And yeah, if you would walk by them in seven miles. And I'll be like, hey, pick out which guys here, you know, went on this ride. You would never, ever, ever guess these individuals.

SPEAKER_06 1:06:07

So you're saying some people are rocking like a 50-year-old pop belly, and some people like there's all types.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:12

A hundred percent. A thousand percent. Yeah. Hopefully not for long. Exactly. You have to be safe. You have to be self-aware of what's happening around you. It's easier on your knees than running. When you ride, there are times when you're not pedaling and you're just coasting. So it gives you little moments to like take little breaks. When you're running, if you stop jogging, you're not moving anywhere. You know, cycling, you're going downhill, you're saving a lot of energy. You could just coast. You're going on a flat road and you pedal really hard, then you could just ride all that.

SPEAKER_06 1:06:39

That's my kind of bike riding. I'm a coaster. I know the feeling of like exerting energy. It's worth it. Like a lot of times, like you go up, up, up, and then like the payoff is like you get to go down. So sometimes you get that instantly. I like instant, they call it instant gratification. Rami, you know what that is? It's like if I work really hard at something, then I want to be able to like enjoy it immediately. I hate when like you're bike riding or you're climbing a mountain and you climb, climb, climb, and then like, ugh, there's more climbing afterwards. I like when it's like climb, climb, climb, and then we like I like when there's like a you know what I mean? Because then it's exciting right away and it makes me want to do it again. And that's just me. So that's why like what your dad did this morning where he climbed for five miles straight. That's like very high level bike riding.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:24

Rami's gonna do it with me one day.

SPEAKER_06 1:07:26

He will when he's riding.

SPEAKER_09 1:07:29

Yeah, last year on the 10 mile ride, there was this big, big hill, and then after there's this big downtown. And there's a lot of kids just walking in the bike off. I'm like, that's not part of the fun. But part of the fun is that you work and then you ride down. It's not just you don't work, you just walk and then you run down. That's not part of the fun. Look at your father.

SPEAKER_06 1:07:48

Look at him. He's getting so much na he's like beaming.

SPEAKER_09 1:07:52

Part of the fun is that you climb up and then you go down, not just you don't climb up and then you go down.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:57

Don't forget, it was 102 degrees. It was really, really hot. This is maybe mile six.

SPEAKER_06 1:08:01

We can't blame those kids.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:03

Not at all. Not at all. And it was brutally, brutally hot. I saw it in Rami's eyes, where like he was struggling a little bit halfway through, and he saw a kid a little bit in front of him, almost at the top, but walking his bike up, which again, it was incredible. Absolutely nothing wrong with that. I saw it in his eyes, and he's like, I'm not going to do that. He zigzagged a little bit just to pick up some momentum, and he just finished strong. And I was like, Whoa, that was really, really, really impressive. Yeah. I walked up.

SPEAKER_06 1:08:30

Do you do that thing? Do you do that thing where you like like you go like from side to side, like standing, you know? You know, and like when you're trying, yeah. And then like you you're trying to like stay balanced, but you like slow. You know what I'm talking about, Rami? You do that?

SPEAKER_01 1:08:42

Yeah, yeah. He stands up and he just stomps down like angry, like angry. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:08:49

Yeah, yeah. You have to you have to make an angry face. It's part of it. Yeah, not not angry. What's that? What do you call that face? This? Yeah. I don't know. I think it's like determined.

SPEAKER_07 1:08:59

But like when you're biking, it's not angry, it's a focused focus. I like that. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:09:05

How do you focus though? Give me what's in your brain. Do you use imagery? You know what imagery is when you're like imagining something? What would you imagine? You're almost there and you're like, oh, I'm about to give up, or I see there's so many kids stopping and walking their bike. Like, what would you think in your brain? That's cheating. That helps you go just to know that they're cheating?

SPEAKER_09 1:09:23

No, but like you know that I'm not cheating. You can cheat, but I'm not.

SPEAKER_06 1:09:29

Right. No judgment here. You're like, you do you, but I'm doing it right.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:33

I think for those individuals, it's not cheating. They Oh, I'm proud of them. Yeah, they probably went as hard and as far as they can, and everyone has the limits. But for Rami, who has the ability and the energy and the focus to climb the mountain, maybe for Rami walking up and giving up early would have been cheating for him based on his level. So I'm proud of him. And it's not coming from me. I was not pushing him. I was encouraging him to cut the ride shorter, even so.

SPEAKER_06 1:09:57

Yeah, you were like returning, and he's like, no, no, no, we're following the side. Okay, here's the million-dollar question. Million dollar question. If you answer this right, you don't get a million dollars, but it's called the million-dollar question. The million dollar question is, Rami, once you were able to see that if you really, really want to do something, you can do it. And if you really try hard to do a goal, you're able to do it. You knew if I try and I try and I push, even if it's super hard, I can do something. Since then, in your life, in school when something's hard, at home if you're not in the mood of doing something. Did you ever use that same goal setting energy to do something hard? I one was pretty funny. You know me. I'm okay with funny if you're okay with it. Super hard to stay in a plane for nine hours straight with a little sister. First of all, major flex. You mean you went to Israel? Very cool. You're very lucky. Yeah. Babies on the plane are very stressful. Tell me about the struggle and how did you succeed? Because it sounds like that was a good thing. I didn't listen to her.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:58

Also, you focused on that's only nine hours. Then it was only eight hours.

SPEAKER_09 1:11:02

Then it was only seven, six, and then five, and then four, and three, and then two, and then one.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:08

Do you have an example of maybe school?

SPEAKER_06 1:11:11

But hold on. That was a good example. Like sometimes, especially on a plane, that nine hours feels like it's gonna actually be forever. Like it feels like it's actually gonna be forever. And a lot of adults can't handle it, so they take sleeping pills and put themselves to sleep because they can't imagine being in their own brain for that long. So I get it. And by the way, Rami, I don't think you should take a trip to Mars.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:31

How long is the flight to Mars?

SPEAKER_06 1:11:33

Seven to ten months, depending on the time of year and the alignment between Earth and Mars.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:38

What happens if I put you on a rocket ship to Mars with Toby? You and Toby.

SPEAKER_06 1:11:42

Ha! I'd pass out two minutes in. I mean, you would want to pass out, probably. I don't think I would want to be on a rocket ship to Mars with anyone in the world. Nothing personal here. It's just very intense. We were looking it up last night. My kids were asking me how long it takes. I don't need to go to space. We'll be right back to this interview after a short note from our sponsor.

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SPEAKER_01 1:14:06

Cool story about Toby, now that you brought her up. Bika Holem is Bic Holland's big fundraiser. And we have a lot of our cars to tow to Bicollem. Toby was actually born. Three pounds. Three pounds, really, really early. And she spent tiny, tiny, tiny, tiny. She went down to like two pounds, 14 ounces, even at one point. She spent a lot of time in the NICU. Bick Holm really came through for us in many, many ways. Dina was allowed to go there and Shabbos. So they hired a guy to drive her there and back from foods. We were in the hospital before Toby was born many times, including Shabbos and when we weren't preparing for it. There were advocates that we called different doctors, that they were always available to us, even into the 18 minutes of Shabbos in a few cases. And then when I went to offer to pay for their services, they refused to take a set payment for it. And so I told them during their big fight of colon fundraiser, I'm gonna do my best to help raise as much money as I can for them out of as of Meyer Car stove to them.

SPEAKER_06 1:14:59

Wow, look at this. And here we are.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:00

Here we are. And then pass it to Rami, who's next, you know.

SPEAKER_06 1:15:04

It's true. Especially when an organization helps your family personally, like you could hear about it from today till tomorrow, but when it makes a difference to someone in your life, even if they're really annoying on an airplane for nine hours, I know Rami, you love her, right? We just say that on the record so that one day she doesn't grow up and get upset at you. I love her. Done. Yeah, Toby. She's so happy. Future Toby is listening to this, and she's like, that was so sweet of him. But yeah, speaker hollem of Baltimore or Biker Holum, which I happen to think is very funny that they did that originally. And now we're on to TDK, which is another cool thing, another cool era for the bike ride.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:37

It's super cool. And people don't really know this about Biker Holland. But the reason I think why it's being shifted a little bit more to like toward the kindness is there's so much more to it than just visitors or food. You know, they're known for their pantries in Sinai or John's Hopkins. But they also have housing for individuals that come from out of town that have a loved one that's in the hospital here in Hopkins or something like that. So toward the kindness, it's all about the shassad that the community is doing.

SPEAKER_06 1:16:03

Wow. Now that you guys shared your story, I'm sure you're gonna have a lot of people cheering you on, both of you, especially you, Rami. I think a lot of people could benefit from bike riding in general, no matter where they live in the world. Some of my favorite memories as a kid were getting on my very not fancy, very much not $10,000 bike. It was probably from like a secondhand store or something. But getting on my bike with my brother or my friends, depending on who was around, we would just bike. We had to be careful. I wish I knew a little bit more of the rules of safety. Like, I feel like we did a lot of things that were probably dangerous, especially like downhill, like downhill on like residential streets where people live. I don't know what the answer is, because there's rules like left side of the street, right side of the street, like we never really knew what we were doing. We were kind of making up as we went along.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:46

Rami, is there a safety rule that we do when we go downhill?

SPEAKER_06 1:16:50

Hands on the brake.

SPEAKER_09 1:16:51

Right, but which brake do you think you squeeze the right brake?

SPEAKER_01 1:16:55

Why?

SPEAKER_09 1:16:55

Because the right brake leads to the back tire. If you squeeze the front tire, you go flying forward.

SPEAKER_10 1:17:00

Right, over the handleball.

SPEAKER_07 1:17:02

Exactly.

SPEAKER_06 1:17:03

Left hand brake goes to the front tire.

SPEAKER_09 1:17:05

And front tire means you go flying.

SPEAKER_06 1:17:07

Yeah. So you would use that front brake when you're going like up the hill.

SPEAKER_09 1:17:11

Yeah. I've been flying forward before.

SPEAKER_06 1:17:13

Were you okay?

SPEAKER_09 1:17:14

Yeah, but when I didn't know my left hand.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:18

That was a good way to learn it. Because on the bike, you can't really go like this, right?

SPEAKER_06 1:17:23

So Right, to the left and right trick. It doesn't work on the bike. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:26

It doesn't work on the bike.

SPEAKER_06 1:17:27

Right. Unless you're like Curious George and he does like pops a wheelie.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:30

Right.

SPEAKER_06 1:17:31

He rides on the back wheel. I also took a tumble when I was little. I remember tumbling down a street called Southgate in my neighborhood. Literally, I think I rolled over three times and I was wearing a helmet, Bar Hashem. So always wear a helmet. I feel like I don't even have to say that because like obviously we should be wearing a helmet. But unfortunately, from time to time I see people not wearing a helmet and it bothers me because I would never chasham want something bad to happen to them. But I was wearing a helmet, so I was okay. But I got really scratched and banged up. And I was probably in like, I would say fourth grade ever since then. I've been much more careful going downhill. Now I haven't gone on a bike in a while, but when I when I did go on a bike, what do you have to say about wearing helmets? Any insight into that?

SPEAKER_09 1:18:12

Our little brother, Guppy, um, actually a few years ago, he didn't want to put on a helmet, and then I said, no, you have to, and then actually a car came flying by while I'm crossing the street. I pulled him and he flew onto the sidewalk and he was quite on the sidewalk.

SPEAKER_06 1:18:27

Okay. Look, your own brother was saved. I didn't know that story, but you learn a lot of new things when you sit down for a podcast together. It's something that fathers and sons should do once in a while. Yeah. Yeah, that's why.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:40

Yeah, well, Rami said is exactly true. When I was younger, I thought it was so cool not to wear a helmet. And it is so, so dangerous. Helmets are cool. There's so many cool helmets out there these days. You don't have to wear boring black one or whatever it is. There's so many cool styles and models. Some have visors on them, even.

SPEAKER_09 1:18:56

Spiky ones.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:57

Spiky ones.

SPEAKER_09 1:18:58

When you're professional cyclists, there's these like helmets, and then there's like arrows and there's sunglasses coming out of them. I'm like, what are these things? And my dad's like, yeah, how's this aerodynamics?

SPEAKER_07 1:19:08

Aerodynamics. You know what that is now. Or do you? I do. What is that? What's faster? A rock like this or a rock like this?

SPEAKER_09 1:19:16

It's this one because the arrow points through and the air goes around it. This one, there's no arrow, so it has to fight the wall. Cool.

SPEAKER_01 1:19:24

Aerodynamics. And pro cyclists, a lot of them will put their sunglasses in their helmets. So that's something Rami and I did last year.

SPEAKER_06 1:19:32

Okay, so you're really cool. First of all, I that's a great point. Anyone who thinks they're cool for not wearing a helmet, it's literally the opposite. You're the opposite of cool if you're not wearing a helmet. You're actually cool for yes wearing a helmet. So I'll second that or third that. As I said it, you said it and I'm saying it again. But I feel like you have a lot of accessories. Do you have a lot of accessories?

SPEAKER_01 1:19:51

Oh my gosh, I do. I do. How do you know that?

SPEAKER_07 1:19:54

I have a feeling sunglasses are called shades. And I walk downstairs, I'm like that's Shade City. How many sunglasses do you own for Viking? He owns like 45. He sells his helmets, he sells sunglasses on my car has no two hundred dollars. So you have a little business going on, like a resale song?

SPEAKER_06 1:20:16

Every so-and-so, he sells helmets. Every now and then.

SPEAKER_09 1:20:20

Yeah. And it's and and then I see these cool sunglasses and my car has them. And you're like, no, making for your birthday.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:26

I'll tell you, the truth is, I actually learned like a very, very important lesson with this. So yes, I do love my accessories, and I have a lot of helmets, cycling shoes. Cool fact about cycling shoes is that you actually you're clipped into the bike.

SPEAKER_09 1:20:40

Right. So when you're riding, you can't pull your foot off unless you like twist it.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:44

Mm-hmm. You're clipped into your bike, but there's this thing called like the one mile fall. You basically get to a stop sign or a red light, and you're going really slow and you did unclip, and you literally at one mile an hour fall sideways because both legs are clipped into the bike.

SPEAKER_06 1:20:58

That's not a good thing.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:59

No, but it's funny. Every cyclist knows exactly what I'm talking about.

SPEAKER_06 1:21:03

Because your feet are stuck to the pedals and you're going too slow for it to stay on, but it probably doesn't hurt so much if it's still something that you're doing.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:10

Try to grab your hands or your knees, but yeah, it's a funny fall. Not that falls are funny. One thing I realized is they're always coming out with new things. And at some point you have to take a step back and realize there's always a new helmet that's coming out. And the new helmets are always going to be more expensive than the next one. There's really never an end inside it. There were times where I was like, oh, let me get this new helmet because it's more ventilated and we're this, and then tomorrow something else just came out. What Rami's referring to is like I kind of just stopped and I realized that, like, hey, get like four or five great helmets, even though that's more than you actually need. And the other ones I was selling to guys in the community at a really, really, really discounted rate just to like spread what I have, especially if I wasn't wearing them and other people appreciate them. So we were basically spreading out glasses and helmets and things like that. Some of them were like blind.

SPEAKER_06 1:21:56

You basically realized that if your daughter comes to you and says, Daddy, I need to get the newest, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. You can't say, Well, no, you don't need it, and then go and buy yourself a thousand accessories.

SPEAKER_01 1:22:06

A thousand percent. It's one of the worst parenting like lessons in life. It's like models. Yeah. You can't be getting yourself all these things and then knock the kids. So instead of getting it for my kids, I decided to cut back on myself.

SPEAKER_06 1:22:19

Look, we're doing teshuva. I hope you guys have the best time in this bike ride and this entire bike riding season now that it's gonna be boiling hot again, which is exactly the climate you guys absolutely love. Am I wrong?

SPEAKER_01 1:22:33

Humidity here. I was like, today it was rough because it was raining and it was wet. We always have to keep in mind as cyclists is that like the road doesn't actually belong to us, even though it says share the road.

SPEAKER_10 1:22:43

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:22:43

Like the reality is the road belongs to the cars, and we're kind of guests on these roads. And if you ever try to like start up with a car, you're going to lose every single time.

SPEAKER_06 1:22:54

And the car is very powerful, and bikers need to realize that because sometimes a biker will be riding 30 miles an hour, but it could be a 40 miles an hour road, and it's very annoying to be behind a biker like that, and you're like, hello, you know?

SPEAKER_01 1:23:07

Yep. You know what's funny? I used to be that driver that used to be like, move, get out of the way, whatever. Like, and now I'm still that guy because if I was the biker, I'll be going faster than that biker. But but I'm definitely a lot more patient and accommodating to cycle.

SPEAKER_06 1:23:23

Oh, we should all be more patient, so it works out.

SPEAKER_01 1:23:25

Yeah, exactly. Okay.

SPEAKER_06 1:23:26

Okay, guys. Thanks for joining us today.

SPEAKER_01 1:23:29

Thank you.

SPEAKER_06 1:23:30

Thank you. Bye. Bye. In this episode, we got to meet Ellie, finishing to hill him, organizing, gets in his class, using his creativity in ways that are literally limitless. Hearing about his personality that runs the gamut of all different types of things. The chilled part of him, the super hyper part of him, all parts of him make him the awesome kid that he is. We met Rami, who looks at other people stopping to ride their bike, choosing to get off, which we said is not a big deal for everyone. But for him, it motivates him to push further. I can do this. And once I do it, I know how good it's going to feel. You don't have to become amazing at something all at once. You don't have to finish everything in one day. You just need to start one parake at a time, one mile at a time, one try, one Mishnah, one pasuk, one five-minute session at the piano after a lesson and you're trying to review one brief moment and then another one and then another one. And eventually you look back and you're like, hey, I'm getting somewhere. So to every single incredible kid listening, don't give up. Keep trying. You will get there. And sometimes part of the fun is that you climb up and then you get to go down. Thank you again to our sponsors, Hosierie Plus, TDK Jr., and we play by SR. Make sure to register for the TDK Junior Bike Ride because it's on June 21st. Thank you for listening to the Incredible Kids Podcast. I am humbled and honored to have you part of our team.

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